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Question: How do you play your harp tongue block or lip purse or both
TONGUE BLOCK - 1 (5.6%)
LIP PURSE - 7 (38.9%)
BOTH - 10 (55.6%)
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« on: September 27, 2010, 08:31:24 PM »

How do you play your harp is is both lip purse and tongue block, Or are you strictly one or the other Huh

Just curious, There's enough members to get a good read on how most people play Grin

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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2010, 10:03:54 PM »

News Flash:

This just in from an anonymous source --

If I have to answer your poll honestly, I use none of the above. I'm the ventriloquist in the story you can read about here:

http://www.harmonica.com/forums/harmonica-talk/world's-greatest-harmonica-joke-bar-none!/

Thank you anonymous source. We'll keep everyone else posted!

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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2010, 08:59:47 AM »

I use both, but mainly lip pursing.
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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2010, 04:50:49 PM »

I started out tongue bocking and wish I hadn't. It is very difficult for me not to use tongue block now that I am trying to incorporate using my tongue for tata's and toodle diddle's and bending.
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2010, 04:52:23 AM »

I started out lip pursing..and later learned tongue blocking. Now I use both, and often switch between them while playing stuff.

I can do tongue-blocked draw bends, but I can't do tongue-blocked blow bends or overblows. I switch to lip purse to do those.

I LOVE the sound of tongue blocked draw bends. They have a wonderful, hollow, wooden sound. Smiley Does that make sense? Roll Eyes
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2010, 05:24:17 AM »

I LOVE the sound of tongue blocked draw bends. They have a wonderful, hollow, wooden sound. Smiley Does that make sense? Roll Eyes

Hi Ashish,
I would like to hear an example of that, If you could find something on youtube maybe, or tape yourself Smiley

I just recently was able to almost master bending, be able to bend a note in time with a tune or riff Cool
But to do it tongue blocking seems challenging to me Undecided

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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2010, 08:54:36 AM »

I'm a lip purse man myself Wink
tongue blocking looks useful, but I just ain't got 'round to it Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2010, 09:53:41 AM »

Bends.mp3 - 0.42MB

Joe, the first ones are with tongue block, and after the harking I use lip pursing. I think the reason they for many sound better with tongue block is because you get the harp further into your mouth that way. I am however not very fluent with tongue blocking, so my example is probably biased.
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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2010, 10:36:22 AM »

Thanks Whiskat they sound good especially with the riff on the second half.

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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2010, 07:03:15 PM »

I spent weeks trying to lip purse I tried hard perhaps not hard enough I do not know so I ended up tongue blocking which I am happy with and also what works  for me is forming the tongue into a u shape but the only thing with that is after a while my tongue found it difficult to maintain the u shape so now I just tongue block quite happily, though I would like to be able to lip purse as I think its an advantage to be able to do the two any one got any tips for lip pursing is there a trick to doing it? as I just cant seem to get my lips to form the right shape I have very thin lips perhaps that has something to do with it. Undecided
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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2010, 07:39:05 PM »


though I would like to be able to lip purse as I think its an advantage to be able to do the two any one got any tips for lip pursing is there a trick to doing it? as I just cant seem to get my lips to form the right shape I have very thin lips perhaps that has something to do with it. Undecided



This works with enough practice Cool

Stay at it PJD lot of practice and it will come 2nd nature.

             
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« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2010, 08:29:04 PM »

Back to tongue blocking,

 I've been trying....to get better at it. I don't have much of a problem with the blow
holes tongue blocking, but the draws are weak.

Any tongue blockers out there that experience that problem and a solution to get over that hurdle.

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« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2010, 01:22:17 AM »

Hi Ashish,
I would like to hear an example of that, If you could find something on youtube maybe, or tape yourself Smiley

I just recently was able to almost master bending, be able to bend a note in time with a tune or riff Cool
But to do it tongue blocking seems challenging to me Undecided

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Hey Joe,

I tried recording an example for you. The quality is not very good because I used the cheap mic on my laptop to record it. Embarrassed

Link - http://tinyurl.com/26mejgz

I play with a lip purse embouchure in the first 20 seconds or so. After that, I switch to tongue blocking.

I don't think the difference between the two is very distinct and evident. I mean, I even can't really tell the difference between a tongue blocked bend and a lip pursed bend in the recording..but I can clearly hear a lot of difference with my ears. You can probably hear a slight difference in tone, but I don't think it's very evident in the recording. The cheapo mic on my laptop is clearly not able to capture all the harmonic frequencies coming from my harmonica.

Try comparing tongue-blocked bends and lip-pursed bends yourself, and you will hear a clear difference.

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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2010, 03:33:19 AM »

Thank you Joe its not as if I cannot play single notes so I think your advise is sound I can afford to give pursing another attempt only try harder this time.. peace ,harp on
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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2010, 03:38:35 AM »

Hi all! I have just come from the above thread. One question thats all , not being able to lip purse. Does it make a harpist any lesser a player [ sort of dreading the answer Undecided] peace...harp on Smiley
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« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2010, 03:40:29 AM »

Hey Pjd your welcome,

did you hear ashish's draw bends tongue blocking vs lip purse both are very good but man
I like the sound of the riff in the second half with the tongue block.

Wish I could do that.

Ashish you should be an instructional video up on you tube on that. That sounded great.

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« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2010, 04:00:32 AM »

What Huh Ya I don't think so Shocked
 
Of late I've been trying to learn how to tongue block. And man do I like all that you
can do with tongue blocking. (the little I can do).

Adds so much color to your playing.

So my answer to you is in regards to your question:
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not being able to lip purse. Does it make a harpist any lesser a player


NO I DON'T THINK SO

YOU HAVE YOUR OWN STYLE

WORK IT PERFECT IT OWN IT AND BE THE BEST YOU CAN BE YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

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« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2010, 05:15:40 AM »

Ok tnk u Joe just that not being able to lip purse I wondered if there were any unknown advantages I was loosing out on thats all judging by your icons it could well be the other way around Grin harp on
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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2010, 06:44:39 AM »

The only thing I know of off the top of my head

that would be challenging for you would be,

any quick fast moving tunes such as fiddle tunes Undecided

I go to harmonicaacademy.com and it's all about fast moving tunes over
there Smiley

So I think tongue blocking does add so much color to your playing especially but not
limited to Blues Cool

For me I definitely couldn't play any of them fast moving tunes unless I could hit single notes
lip pursing. I think you'll have one them Eureka I got it moments if you don't give up Shocked

Practice it daily, part of your routine for maybe 5 or 10 minutes. And you'll see Grin

I practice tongue blocking every day Wink You'll get it. In time.

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« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2010, 09:50:16 PM »

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Try comparing tongue-blocked bends and lip-pursed bends yourself, and you will hear a clear difference.

What's interesting about all this, is that when I was younger and most times for years I would play with the tongue blocking techniques from the old hohner booklets and from such.

Then recently, when I decided to pick up the harmonica up again, a lot of other peeps talked about lip pursing and such. So I learned how to do it in a short period of time.

Now with JP even talking about tongue blocking on his new Gyspy Harmonica dvd, I'm back to doing that again.

Geez! Make up your minds already, will ya peeps?! mwuahahahahaha!

Actually, I listened to your clip, Ashish; and played along with it on my GM A.

It was fun!

Even though I sliced my tongue on top of them 'razor blade' plates - No worries, sahib!

Made sure I had enough bourbon and coke in me to cover it! hehehehe!

Yes, definitely a different deeper sound. I'm going back to it once more!

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« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2010, 04:46:44 AM »

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What's interesting about all this, is that when I was younger and most times for years I would play with the lip blocking techniques from the old hohner booklets and such.

Then recently, when I decided to pick up the harmonica up again, a lot of other peeps talked about lip pursing and such. So I learned how to do it in a short period of time.

I'm a little confused mostly I play blocking the notes on either side with my bottom lip Undecided

What exactly is lip pursing I thought that it was blocking the holes with your bottom lip.

Got to get it clear.

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« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2010, 11:10:43 AM »

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What exactly is lip pursing? I thought that it was blocking the holes with your bottom lip.


Well that's a very good question, Joe.

Especially since this is your own topic.

Meaning, the term 'tongue blocking' is almost certainly understood. Just takes placing your tongue across the holes you want to block out, in order to play the other ones clearly.

On the other hand, "lip pursing" may be a little bit more confusing as you point out.

However, in going to Dave Gage's membership lessons, he points out that "lip pursing" "whistling" "puckering" lip blocking techniques - even something he calls: The Vertical Slot mouth method - Are all interchangeable terms!

So since I was familiar with tongue blocking already, it wasn't until I got JPs lessons and his Deep Relaxed Embouchure as well as from others I learned more about lip puckering, lip pursing, lip blocking techniques.

That was all mentioned about in this post:

http://www.harmonica.com/forums/test/deep-relaxed-embouchure-extra!/

On the following page though, scroll down to How To Play Single Harmonica Notes and there is an explanation of which I believe best matches what you're saying here:

http://www.harmonicaforbeginners.net/harmonica-for-beginners/harmonica-for-beginners-lessons

Then this guy gives his short vid demonstartion on the technique:

How to Play the Harmonica : Single Note Pucker on Harmonica


Bottom line is: I believe we're just talking semantics here. As in: Whether you come from a place that calls it a water closet, outhouse, john, head or even loo! -- Eventually you're going to end up in one taking a dump, dropping a load, having a big healthy crap.

It's all good! (Just wash your hands afterwards! hehehehe!)

Hope this helps to clear up and end any confusion of terms here.

Smiles!

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« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2010, 12:34:03 PM »

Okay Joe!

I finally figured out where I was in err!  Shocked

Here's my original line:

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What's interesting about all this, is that when I was younger and most times for years I would play with the lip blocking techniques from the old hohner booklets and such.

I put in the word "lip" when I should've used the word "tongue"!  Tongue

I corrected it now to:

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What's interesting about all this, is that when I was younger and most times for years I would play with the tongue blocking techniques from the old hohner booklets and such.

I'm extremely appreciative for you, Dave T and others who keenly point out these rare and small, albeit very important, differences to me. Makes us all better readers/writers all the way around!  Smiley

Thanks!

Peace & SPD Out!

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« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2010, 04:03:24 PM »

Yup I made that same mistake it's an easy one to make. Wink

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« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2010, 08:17:00 AM »

Hey Joe,

That was a "fox chase" style rhythm I played on the recording. Speaking of fox chase rhythms and tongue blocking, listen to this guy (Tom):

Pre War Harp Medley


Isn't he amazing? He plays tongue block exclusively. He inspired me to learn tongue-blocked bends. Smiley

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