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« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2010, 04:32:06 PM »

Well if I am playing a song and I know where and when the bend is due and not forgetting I am a relatively new player I am able to get the bend most times BUT say I am just tooting some tunes and I decide I want to slip a bend in here or there thats when the problem starts because then I loose track of the song which I am playing from memory but I suppose it will come with practise  Grin harp on
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« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2010, 03:08:40 AM »

For now it's single notes. Once i get the basics down and practice a lot, i should have another challenge coming up.
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« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2010, 06:24:21 AM »

Oh Boy your on your way Ace,
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For now it's single notes. Once i get the basics down and practice a lot, i should have another challenge coming up.

Yup the single notes they'll come to you fairly quickly I think if you give it your best effort with practice every day.

And always carry a harp in your pocket. You never know when you get a chance. Practice this scale

4B 4D 5B 5D 6B 6D 7D 7B, careful and slowly when you get to the tricky part 6D > 7D.

When you get that down that will open up 100's of songs you will be able to play Wink

Practice it with a metronome that you can get on line for free. Pick up your speed little bit at a time. Good luck Cheesy

Keep us posted on your progress Grin

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« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2010, 02:54:45 PM »

Yo Ace [classified] don't forget to check out this dude as there's so much to learn from him and grow with day by day!  Good luck to you.  Keep us posted.   Keep on Harpin'!    Smiley

http://www.harmonica.com/indexreb4b.html


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« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2010, 03:05:45 PM »

Well if I am playing a song and I know where and when the bend is due and not forgetting I am a relatively new player I am able to get the bend most times BUT say I am just tooting some tunes and I decide I want to slip a bend in here or there thats when the problem starts because then I loose track of the song which I am playing from memory but I suppose it will come with practise  Grin harp on

The time it takes from you can do this, until when you are able to bend with decent control without giving it too much thought, is surprisingly short! You have much to look forward to in the closest future Wink

The hardest part about bending is understanding just what you're supposed to do with your mouth, once this is achieved it's just a matter of time and practice.
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« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2010, 03:32:43 PM »

Right on!  Right on!  Right on, Whiskat (formerly known as God)!  Right on!!   Wink
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« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2010, 12:13:38 AM »

Oh Boy your on your way Ace,
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For now it's single notes. Once i get the basics down and practice a lot, i should have another challenge coming up.

Yup the single notes they'll come to you fairly quickly I think if you give it your best effort with practice every day.

And always carry a harp in your pocket. You never know when you get a chance. Practice this scale

4B 4D 5B 5D 6B 6D 7D 7B, careful and slowly when you get to the tricky part 6D > 7D.

When you get that down that will open up 100's of songs you will be able to play Wink

Practice it with a metronome that you can get on line for free. Pick up your speed little bit at a time. Good luck Cheesy

Keep us posted on your progress Grin

Harp on!!

I've been using that scale. The 6D > 7D has been getting me. If you haven't read it yet, i posted something in my thread: "i have a few questions".
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« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2010, 09:34:22 AM »

 Yeh Whiskat some of the time to be honest I can not say most of the time but some of the time my mouth remembers what I tell it to do [via brain] and i get a GENUINE beaut bend then other times it just crashes and its a NO I wont do it so there! but I know Whiskat its all down to yours truly after all what am i xpecting at 63 yrs young but I can tell you I wont be beaten just when you get to my age just takes little longer to sink in.
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« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2010, 12:10:02 AM »

Well, single notes are a piece of cake! BUT, now bending is getting in my way!  Cry  Cry  Cry
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« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2010, 04:28:30 AM »

Hi Ace, bends will take you some time I can do them but my challenge is playing them in
a tune or a riff in time Roll Eyes

Don't give up put it in your daily practice routine and use this software it helps a lot Cool
http://www.harmonicagame.com/

Check out these helpful exercises for bending that I got from JP'S CD, DVD bundle Grin
BENDING EXERCISES:

Some push-ups          4D 4D' 4D 5D

More Push-ups           4D 4D' 3D

More Push-ups           3D 3D' 2D

Even more Push-ups    2D 2D' 1D

Don't get frustrated with bending it may take a few months Undecided
But while you practice them practice other stuff too Grin

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« Reply #35 on: October 01, 2010, 05:26:05 PM »

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But while you practice them practice other stuff too  Grin

Truer words, JF, truer words!

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« Reply #36 on: October 02, 2010, 01:01:24 AM »

Well, bending is a bit easier now.

Now new problems:
I can't bend or draw hole 2 and 3.
I can't bend hole 10.
I can't advance because of the problems above.

I'm using Harmonica for Dummies which is really going well. The only problem is the more i advance, the more holes 2 and 3 are needed.
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« Reply #37 on: October 02, 2010, 01:28:51 AM »

Yo Ace!

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I can't advance because of the problems above.

Who's time schedule are you on and who's holding a gun to your head, anyways?!

Dude, it takes a while.  Be it days, weeks, a month or longer.  Everyone who puts effort into it will do it eventually.  So just have a little patience with yourself, okay?

And please don't confuse draw bends with blow bends.  Two completely different but similar things, eh?

JP Allen devotes a whole dvd to bending in his home harmonica course.  Plus other examples and songs as well.

Yet too, here's something to help you out along the way for the lower registers on 2 and 3 draws.  Others found it helpful, so here's hoping the same for you too!

http://www.harpsurgery.com/how-to-play/draw-bends/

http://www.harpsurgery.com/how-do-i-know-im-bending-in-tune/

In addition, you can try Night Train James way and some others too:

Learn harmonica by ear, BEND NOTES NOW!


Harmonica Lesson - How to Bend Notes


Watch, learn, listen, and play! 

Or as harp teacher Tom Hall says: "Practice bending until your lips bleed!"

Well, you get the idea by now, I'm sure!

Smiles!

Keep us posted!

Keep on harpin'!
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« Reply #38 on: October 02, 2010, 07:36:26 AM »

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Who's time schedule are you on and who's holding a gun to your head, anyways?!


Ya you know SPD I thought he was rushing way to fast.

Ace: How long have you been playing. Huh I've been playing 2 1/2 years and it took me 6 months before
I even thought I was bending notes Undecided

Then it took me 6 more months till I was confident to just make the bend Cool

Then after that depending on what style your playing. You have to play them bends in time with the beat. (that takes time)
I was playing mostly 1st position tunes staying mostly between the 3 and 7 holes bending wasn't critical at the time.

So take the bends slow, and my opinion is just put practice time into other things, and add bending to your
practice, mostly 1 2 4 6 bends. Learn a bunch of simple tunes. That's a lot of fun Grin. Practice this scale, this helped
me a lot. Get going as fast as you can use a metronome. It's monotonous and boring but it will help you in the long run. Wink

C scale plus one note up and down use your c harp, try it back and forth till muscle memory starts kicking in and
you can do it without thinking about it. Work it hard Wink

play this first:
4B 4D 5B 5D 6B 6D 7D 7B 8D 7B 7D 6D 6B 5D 5B 4D 4B

then this:
4B 4D 5B 4D 4B 4D 5B 4D 4B 4D 5B 5D 6B 5D 5B 4D (this phrase here helped me to catch my breath.) Smiley

go back and forth with it see how long you can keep it going



This is me practicing in my garage it took me a few weeks to get it to this speed maybe more than a
few weeks I can't remember.

hans scale dorian mode.wmv
 

Just trying to help take it slow and have fun Tongue

Harp on!!
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« Reply #39 on: October 05, 2010, 12:54:15 AM »

Ya, i didn't realize how much i was rushing.

So i'm cutting my problems down to:
I can't draw the 2 hole!!! Why is this a problem with Special 20s?Huh?
I can't draw hole 10...
Why are there so many positions? How do you memorize them? Can you explain them in a simple way?

Any advice for them? For the hole 2, i noticed that it starts out bent. I also noticed that when i open my nasal passages, it draws well.

Questions:
Does the Golden Melody have problems? Is it better than the Special 20? Is it worth its price?
What song is good to learn that plays in the middle register?
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« Reply #40 on: October 05, 2010, 04:39:06 AM »

Ace let me try and answer a couple of your questions Grin

What song is good to learn that plays in the middle register?

"How about working on Oh When The Saints Go Marching In"

 4   5   -5     6     4   5   -5   6
Oh when those Saints go march-in' in

 4   5    -5    6     5    4   5  -4
Oh when those Saints go march-in' in

  5 -4   4   4  5  6   6   6  -5
Lord I want to be in that num-ber

  5  -5    6     5   4   -4   4
When the Saints go march-in' in.


Does the Golden Melody have problems? Is it better than the Special 20? Is it worth its price?

It's definitely a personal preference, There's so many choices Undecided You just have to try the one that
works best for you Huh I have heard people say thay hate GM and also say the love them.
I know this I think both harps cost about 35 bucks. If you want my opinion GM's work great for me. Grin

Why are there so many positions? How do you memorize them? Can you explain them in a simple way?

 Huh ???my opinion if your just starting out stick with 1st position for now and don't worry
about any other positions. Simply put and I don't mind someone correcting me on this is. 1st position is using
your "C" harp to play with a tune in "C", "D" harp "D" tune.......etc..... Wink

So i'm cutting my problems down to:
I can't draw the 2 hole!!! Why is this a problem with Special 20s?Huh?
I can't draw hole 10...
Any advice for them? For the hole 2, i noticed that it starts out bent. I also noticed that when i open my nasal passages, it draws well.

I had a problem getting a 2D correct, without the bend it will come with practice, don't give up Tongue
When you breathe in on 2D make sure you have a good seal and you open up the back of your
throat.
Wink That means the back of your tongue has to be lowered to make a nice large opening back
there. Opposite of when you bend it. Pretty tricky but I know you'll get it.
Wink


Harp on!!
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« Reply #41 on: October 05, 2010, 05:20:18 AM »

I have "When the Saints Go Marching In" in the book "Harmonica for dummies". I would also prefer a different song. Either rock songs like "Wanted Dead or Alive" by Bon Jovi, or slow/smooth (don't really know the genre) songs like "Imagine by John Lennon".

I think i'll have my Special 20 for a long time, but when i get a new one, what should i get? Should i stay with in the Hohner brand, go into Suzukis or Lee Oskars (?), or maybe go into custom harps?

I tried dropping my tongue and jaw and it worked, it just isn't comfortable. Maybe i just have to get used to it.
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« Reply #42 on: October 05, 2010, 06:31:56 AM »


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I have "When the Saints Go Marching In" in the book "Harmonica for dummies". I would also prefer a different song. Either rock songs like "Wanted Dead or Alive" by Bon Jovi, or slow/smooth (don't really know the genre) songs like "Imagine by John Lennon".


I always liked Bob Dylan's Blowin in the Wind it's real easy tune and once learnt it kind of stays with you forever or it did for me anyways.
If you don't know the tune listen to it on you tube a couple times and then learn it with the tab Grin


Song: Blowing in the wind:
6   6  6  -6    6  -5  6   5 -4   4
How man-y roads must a man wa-lk down

 5   6   6   -6   6 -5  6
be-fore you call him a man?

 5  -5   6   6  6  -6   
Yes 'n' how man-y seas

 6 -5   6    5 -4   4
must a white do-ve sail

 5   6   5    -5   -5  5   -4
be-fore she sleeps in the sand?

 5  -5   6   6  6  -6   
Yes 'n' how man-y times

 6   -5   6   6   5 -4   4
must the can-non ba-lls fly

 5   6     6    -6   6 -5    6
be-fore they're for-ev-er banned?

 5  -5  -5    5   -4   
The an-swer, my friend,

-4   5   5   5 -4    4
is blow-in' in the wind,

 5  -5  -5   5  -4  -4   4 -4    4
The an-swer is blow-in' in the wind.


This is where I played and recorded it with a backing track.
Real easy to do Wink


http://www.box.net/files#/files/0/f/38704022/1/f_429850408

Lots of free software to record on your computer free backing track (midi).
Then turn it into an mp3 and put it on your IPOD and you have it forever.

Harp on!!
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« Reply #43 on: October 05, 2010, 11:11:02 AM »

Ace,  On my instructional video "Simply HARMONICA"  by Steve Williams he discribes  getting a note to bend by imagining your sipping a milkshake and a chunk of thick ice cream gits stuck it the straw. Naturally to suck the clog on through, the back of your tongue and jaw drops to provide the added pressure needed to pull the cream on through. It's not the pressure but this position needed to bend.
 This may not make since but think of bending as redirecting the air stream to hit a different point on the reed. I'm just learning this myself and this helped me.
He also suggests when you know you have it  bent correctly to hold it as long as possible to encourage muscle memory.
Good Luck!!!
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« Reply #44 on: October 08, 2010, 01:36:03 PM »

Definitely playing alone, without a jam track or anything.  I feel like a band is where i belong and my stuff all sounds the same when i try to come up with an original harp thing on a one-man basis.  It's okay when i play harp and guitar together, but i want to do stuff like i see on Adam Gussow videos...just raw harp and nothing else.  It would be cool to carry Jam night alone until the other guys and gals showed up if they were late like they often are.  That's my current challenge.
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« Reply #45 on: October 08, 2010, 04:22:02 PM »

congaron
To me that's like nervousabout playing in the local theater with dreams of being a movie star! If your on stage and having a good time and welcomed, you've got it made in my book.
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« Reply #46 on: October 08, 2010, 04:29:20 PM »

Shout Out to Ace

I'm copying this from another topic thread:

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Someone said (was it Tyson?) that no good ever comes from counting the cost of one's hobby.

What this means is, as far as your instrument of choice now goes - That nothing in the harmonica universe you're going to ever do is free!

Sure, yes, on the one hand, you have free YouTube videos, free JP Allen email lessons, and even free advice from this place and elsewhere.

However, even if you get all the harmonicas and harpin' gear in the world you want by the kindness of your parents and so forth - Well, seriously, in order to play you have to pay your dues!

I have never read anywhere - And I read a lot! - That harmonica playing was easy.

I did and do read that anybody who willing puts in the time and effort, even if they have to struggle with this or that technique for however long it takes - Can and does accomplish them eventually!  Not even Jason Ricci was born playing a harmonica, yo!

At the same time - When it comes to which harmonica should I get?  Which harmonica is best and all that jazz?! 

Well, we who have invested in them can only give you our reviews of how and what we feel about them.  There is no ONE perfect harmonica for everybody!

{Well Harrison USA is working on making the best harmonicas they can for everybody.  However too, at their rates, it's more a luxury item for even the most experienced player - amatuer, pro and whatever!  So that doesn't even come into play here at this time.}

As far as thinking customized and all that jazz?!  Well, if you are well off and you have the backing of somebody somwhere - Okay Great!  That's how Tiger Woods and the Williams Sisters got their starts.  More power to you, dude!  Sincerely...

On the other hand, if not - Well, your money is going to be going into your hobby now.  So looks like washing cars, raking leaves, part time jobs and all that is going to get you there.

And yet, you'll still have to pay your dues on whatever harmonicas you do get anyways.  That's a fact, jack!

Now as far as songs and stuff goes - Well there are plenty of free harp tab sites on the internet.  We post plenty of them here for everybody to learn from when we discover them.

However, you have to realize not all music is harp tabbed.  That's just the way it is.  Not even harptabs.com can keep up with it all!

So if you find or want to play something that isn't harp tabbed -- Well, the next thing is to get the sheet music which is always avaiable, and learn how to read and play the music using the harmonica.

But then realize you're now entering into Howard Levy territory who was a piano player and musician first before he ever picked up a harmonica.  And he had to pay his dues on this instrument too!

Bottom line for you now is: All teachers and all students say the 2 and 3 hole are difficult to get to.  All teachers and all students say any type of draw/blow bending, even before you bring overdrawing and overblowing into the picture, is difficult to get to. 

Not to even mention just playing solid tunes with single notes!  That's not easy either.  Yet it is an accomplishment when you can and will do it. 

And still, it's all part and parcel of the harmonica universe, bro!

We can give you advice on what we do and have done; direct you where to go to get help, even if that requires you buying tapes, books, lessons, etc. --

And we support you in your efforts always!

However, if you push yourself too hard and too fast - Well, actually, we're not going to get frustrated, although we sympathize because we know too those feelings - But really, it's going to be your frustations alone.  And yes, that's just the way it is as well.

Better for you to take it slow, steady, and easy.  And then you'll find you'll be making quantaum leaps and having plenty of Aha-Eureka moments that will blow your mind!

Hope this helps you along the way of your harmonica journey!

As always: Have Fun!

Keep us posted!

Keep on Harpin'!

Peace & SPD Out!
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« Reply #47 on: October 08, 2010, 04:36:25 PM »

Shout Out to Conga Ron in Sedalia, Mo

At least you're not here, broski:

http://www.harmonica.com/forums/how-to-play/tough-time-playing-in-front-of-people/

So keep on jammin', eh?!   Wink

SPD Out!
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« Reply #48 on: October 08, 2010, 05:00:03 PM »

LOL..THANKS....  yeah, it's not a nerves thing..it's just lack of skill.  I'm just not there yet i guess.  Time and practice and i'll either figure it out or stick with bands...not bad.
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« Reply #49 on: October 08, 2010, 05:14:43 PM »

I've put in this link elsewhere here, Ron.  But one more time won't kill the forum!  hehehe!

http://randysinger.com/

Go inside and download his free Musician's Handbook.  It's a great reference and Randy offers words for harmonica players to start living by.

Enjoy!
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